Proper evaluation of influence can certainly be biased by opinion; but overall it is rather easy to research to see historically the impact an artist had by tracking musicians that copied them, or directly cite them as major influences. Chicago: Level 2 Paul Simon: 8/10 SEE FOR YOURSELF !! Here's part 2 of the rating the performers. -the Miracles, the Comets, the Midnighters.. barring them, probably the Dave Clark Five and the Ventures Gene Vincent (and the Blue Caps) 3/10 = Mediocre As Bill Simmons wrote in his article, it's just more fun to think of the Hall of Fame as a pyramid. KISS "Special Occasion - Jim Gilstrap. It's that "X" Factor that separates true legends from also-rans.The Men from the Boys. Posted by astrodog on Thursday, 10/31/2013 @ 23:38pm. The Moonglows: 6/10 48. Deep Purple- 4 91. 44. His influence and impact cannot be overstated, and I have the sources to back up my claims. The Pretenders: 8/10 Level One: King Rootin'-Tootin' (The Three Stooges) As a Beatle, sure, but definitely not as a solo artist. John Lennon should be moved way, way down. Jay-Z-3 but would also be fine with 4 if Eminem gets 4 as well. Dylan, The Stones, Sabbath, Zeppelin, The Velvet Underground, Bowie, Queen, The Miracles, Pink Floyd, James Brown 1994 Willie Dixon Randy Newman: 6/10 169. Chicago Eddie Cochran 62. The Mamas & The Papas: 6/10 Level 4: Smokey Robinson (and the Miracles) Hank Ballard (and the Midnighters) Posted by Gassman on Thursday, 10.31.13 @ 11:28am 1987 Among these are: Nina Simone- 4 I'm also with you on the Byrds being where they are. "Bad Girl" Dazz Band, Mary Wells, Jackie Jackson. Posted by AlexVoltaire on Friday, 12/18/2015 @ 08:03am, Deep Purple/NWA- Level 2 -All nominated artists must be used in the pyramid Yes Their career ended through poor records and/or changing tastes. Throw in Dirk's career numbers which are amazing when you look at them and he belongs in this spot. Public Enemy (Level 4) The Heat had three Pyramid guys including a Level 5 and Level 4 guy in their primes. The Pretenders 168. Posted by astrodog on Thursday, 10/31/2013 @ 03:26am. If I had to create a pyramid from this year's nominations alone, this is how I would create it. N.W.A John Lee Hooker: 8/10 Posted by Mike on Tuesday, 02/9/2016 @ 17:04pm, Posted by Classic Rock on Friday, 04/22/2016 @ 20:34pm. R.E.M: 10/10 "[9] Producer Quincy Jones called the group the "Beethovens of The 20th Century" due to their songwriting talents. Only one problem: 10 years later, were in the middle of the player empowerment era and The Secret might not matter anymore. Young Frankenstein "5)Elvis Costello-Alison, and I cannot name another song. Posted by Zach on Thursday, 01/29/2015 @ 23:40pm, Posted by Greg on Wednesday, 04/8/2015 @ 15:25pm, The Pyramid Levels. ---------------------------------------------- The Moody Blues, when inducted, should sit on the 5th tier. Nina Simone Axl Rose managed to alienate the rest of GNR when the success went to his head and forced them to sign over the rights to the band name. Are you serious? Sam & Dave: 9/10 Posted by Follower on Tuesday, 04/2/2019 @ 18:34pm. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Miracles_discography Since there are 221 as of now, two or three more should be promoted to level 5 (and more to the other levels), if only to maintain the proportions. "You've Got The Love I Need" - J Dilla, Raekwon. 131. Public Enemy (lower 2nd) Even as he was on the downside of his career, he was still hitting huge shots that swung championships. 170. DarinRG, if you've ever seen "An Evening With Kevin Smith" where he describes his trip to Prince's home, it's epic. Yes - 2 (they could be a 1 too but I like them a lot and they are one of the definitive progressive rock bands so I upped them to a 2) "Oh Be My Love"- Barbara Lewis, The Supremes, Barbara McNair. AC/DC And Green Day and Pearl Jam are 100% 1s if I've ever seen one. target="_blank" title="http://www.beat.com.au/sites/default/files/imagecache/630_315sr/images/article/header/2013/april/lilb.jpg[/img]">http://www.beat.com.au/sites/default/files/imagecache/630_315sr/images/article/header/2013/april/lilb.jpg[/img], Posted by GFW on Thursday, 10/31/2013 @ 18:26pm. Carl Perkins 1. Whatever his legacy, he'll be remembered for taking that road. ), Dolly Parton, Boyz II Men, Human Nature, among many others The first few years were really good. 1988, 1986, 2001, 2004, 1997, Posted by Alec on Monday, 04/21/2014 @ 23:04pm, I'll play along: In the since this pyramid was first devised the lower levels have been filled with new inductees and they are certainly not multiples of 12 anymore. The 2017 and 2018 inductees are not in the pyramid yet! Van Morrison Not too many others, outside of one or two really obvious choices. Plus, The Miracles' historical importance as Motown's first group seals the deal !! Chaka Khan Black Sabbath: 10/10 Bobby Womack: 7/10 "Don't Let It End (Till You Let It Begin)-Betty Everett the Studio Group The Zombies In THE ART OF BASKETBALL, he shows young men & women of all ages . Posted by John R.C. Jay - Z: 10/10 10.. This site is not affiliated in any way with the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and Museum New York: ESPN Books. 160. 2016 by fjdbookreview. Was Kazaam better than Steel? 2005 "Doggone Right" Bobby Davis. Rush: 7/10 66. Black Sabbath For an Early Influence, I would pick Cab Calloway or The Ravens. It would only make sense, since the next 4 are not perfect multiples of 12 anymore. 11. The Flamingos: 6/10 Best hip hop: I don't much care for it, but even I would concede Public Enemy's suitability. The Smiths James Taylor, Joni Mitchell, and Linda Rondnstadt Van Morrison: 10/10 Nine Inch Nails-Level 2 2Pac - 2 68. The Who, The Kinks, Public Enemy, Sex Pistols and Muddy Waters Billy Cunningham, 55. This was a hard one to boil down to just one pick, but I decided on The Eagles as the unworthiest act in the hall. And yeah the Dead should have been a star on top of this pyramid, gazing down. Whitney Houston Depeche Mode Oscar Robertson, 10. The "Lovin Spoonful: 5/10 It's just so overexposed and repetitive that I can no longer find any enjoyment in that type of music. The Bee Gees 2 34. Simon and Garfunkel Comments. Level 3: The Hall of Fame honors graduates of the Army Reserve Officers' Training Corps who have . Frankie Lymon and the Teenagers 95. I'm not going to wade into these waters. 3. 198. 177. Tupac Shakur: 10/10 "Don't Let It End (Till You Let It Begin)-Betty Everett . Second floor of The Pyramid. Great concept! 5. Steve Miller: 3/10 The Small Faces: 6/10 Journey 95. 2/10 = Failure T. Rex-3 Hal Greer, 54. Is there any way we can realign the pyramid with the artist rankings we did over the course of last year? Posted by Shrek on Monday, 01/7/2019 @ 13:23pm. Skip to secondary content. Bobby Darin: 5/10 178. N.W.A: Level 2 (tough call, but Public Enemy is at the lowest part of 3, and they're about even, though PE had longer success) The former MVP has adapted and evolved to become an excellent conductor of Phillys offense. Posts about Bill Simmons Hall of Fame Pyramid written by fjdbookreview. 144. Did they hit sell millions of records, have over a dozen hits or win a lot of awards? The Cars I want to see Chicago. 2/10 = Failure Tier 5 looks pretty solid. Level 4: What seemed important 15 years ago may not seem as important now. -Kindest? James Brown. Feel free to argue about the order in the comments below, but remember, you can't move someone up without moving someone else down.. -Weirdest? And, while you're thinking about THAT, Consider THIS: Has any modern superstar ever had more career-related what ifs? Dominique Wilkins, 63. There have been 9 completed seasons since then, so I added 14 new players for a total of 110. Just being a major influence on Bob Dylan alone, and really almost the entirety of folk-rock should at the very least put her midway up, probably higher, imho. Rush (middle 4th) Most snubbed artist who is now an inductee (besides Rush and Alice Cooper*)? Tina Turner-Level 1 For example, in the Aug. 16, 2018 episode, Simmons told Curry his latest ranking of #16-#27 and had Curry at #24. Posted by Mike on Tuesday, 04/2/2019 @ 14:58pm, Radiohead is widely considered the most influential and important act since Nirvana. The Zombies: 5/10 Buffalo Springfield: 6/10 217. 1. The Spinners 2001 "Determination" The Contours. Part of the best shooting backcourt of all-time and a key part in the Warriors dynasty. All the Lord of The Rings films Is the top rung ever going to be added to? These questions and more are broken down in our third Pyramid Podcast with Bills former Grantland colleague, ESPNs Zach Lowe. Ike and Tina Turner If anything, some of them deserve to be a 4. I'd say a tier down at least. The pyramid is done by the site administration while the rankings are done by site users, so it's more a case of differing opinions. Was this the best-played and most-loaded series of the decade? 14. I meant *borderline. at the best online prices at eBay! Sex Pistols: 9/10 I too personally dislike thier music except "Express Yourself" and I just don't understand why so meny praise them when all they did was steer rap down a more gangester and racist path. Bob Marley Eric Clapton Whitney Houston-2, maybe 1 (This is an incomplete list, as songs by the Miracles continue to be covered by more artists each year) 8. 2002 Dire Straits I could have sworn it was the other way around. Bobby "Blue" Bland Jackie Wilson: 10/10 184. Weirdest: I agree with the consensus, Michael Jackson and Frank Zappa. I know Bill has him higher, but he doesn't have the body of work just yet. Eminem: 10/10 We are talking about Rock music here, right? Foo Fighters: 8/10 We rank historical figures just as Google ranks webpages, by integrating a diverse set of measurements about their reputation (including PageRank, article length, and readership) into estimates of their fame, explained by a combination of achievement (gravitas) and celebrity. Anybody read his book and know the ranking? 107. Level 3 ?? 114. Is it fair to swap players based on one series at the tail end of their careers? He's one of the best scorers ever. There are a lot of critic's darlings that fade over time. Posted by Plebeian on Thursday, 05/20/2021 @ 16:03pm. 22. Most snubbed before being inducted: Black Sabbath, The Stooges, Hall & Oates, Neil Diamond, Alice Copper, Buffalo Springfield. Again, just ANOTHER REASON why THE MIRACLES should be at Level 4 !!! "Nowhere To Go- Kanye West (as the basis of his song "About An Angel"), Beanie Sigel (as "Got Nowhere"), Freeway Connie Hawkins, 99. ARE YOU KIDDING ME ? 218. The Book of Basketball - Bill Simmons 2010-12-07 . Pearl Jam Radiohead Donna Summer- 4, Posted by Enigmaticus on Saturday, 01/27/2018 @ 05:22am. When is this pyramid gonna get updated with the class of 2017??? James Brown didn't either but he was arguably much closer to rock than Ray Charles was while he was performing, same goes for Stevie Wonder. Where does his beard rank among the NBAs greatest facial hairstyles ever? Dolly Parton (Level 2) Posted by Follower on Monday, 09/24/2018 @ 17:52pm, Posted by Jason Voigt on Monday, 09/24/2018 @ 17:56pm, Yeah Phillip, you're right. 33. AC/DC: 9/10 Does The Secret have a shelf life? Queen: 10/10 Inductee that should have been first-ballot (again, don't answer Rush*)? 161. Posted by Philip on Sunday, 12/15/2013 @ 17:53pm. I'd say level 4 is also impossible for anyone not in the hall currently as well. Percy Sledge Not to be too much of a Ramones basher, but look at the bands they rated above. 9/10 = All Time Greats Guns N' Roses Their experimentation? 183. Most loudest inductee (outside the Metal genre)? 2006 Sam Cooke 9. The Outsiders Posted by Jason Voigt on Monday, 09/24/2018 @ 16:47pm. Dick Clark would be a good call here too. 32. "Love Machine" Wham!, Thelma Houston I think the Doors and Grateful Dead should be in the fourth level of the pyramid. Posted by Donovan on Tuesday, 10/21/2014 @ 23:03pm, move to 4: ), Posted by Joe on Wednesday, 03/25/2020 @ 22:48pm. Eminem due to his position in both rap and the 21st century maybe should be a high level 4 or possible dare i say maybe just cracking 5. Very, very influential among a myriad of genres and artists. Jackson Browne: 7/10 of all time, Simmons opensand then closes, once and for allevery major pro basketball debate. Posted by Plebeian on Thursday, 05/20/2021 @ 16:09pm. 69. The Who, Metallica, Led Zeppelin would all rank up there. Monty Python's Life of Brian 84. None of them were saints though. Solid list, I'd bump up Hakeem to in the top ten and I would have KG somewhere in the 15-20 range personally. Roger Daltrey is involved with the Teenage Cancer Trust. -the Who, the Dave Clark Five being a close second despite their clean polished sound, they were loud and energetic. Both were the darlings of the same type of audience in their day, but REM was a very different type of band. The Ronettes Queen: 10/10 Four All-NBA appearances, six All-Stars, 2nd best or 3rd best player on 4 champs and a runner-up. There needs to be slightly more room in the 5 space, cause Bowie is 100% a 5. "Can You Love a Poor Boy" Bobby Vee, Softones, Gil Bernal, Ronnie Walker. They were rarely acclaimed critically and/or commercially. Posted by Follower on Saturday, 01/19/2019 @ 16:38pm. Ray Charles 48. The Hollies: 3/10 15. Posted by Kyle on Wednesday, 07/26/2017 @ 18:50pm. And before anyone criticizes my choices by comparison to the current inductees and where they're at on the pyramid, I don't agree with quite a few choices and placements, and would make this pyramid pretty differently. Dwayne Wade [up from Level 3, below Walton]. The Stooges Loudest other then metal: THe Rolling Stones, The Kinks, The Who, The Stooges, Public Enemy, Dave Clark Five. - See more at: http://whoisbigger.com/#sthash.msMujDin.dpuf, Posted by Darrin A on Sunday, 12/15/2013 @ 12:43pm. Posted by Gary on Friday, 01/4/2019 @ 18:23pm. 9. Posted by Robert Henry on Monday, 07/31/2017 @ 11:11am, That's kinda easy for most part when analyzing the 2017 class - I would think acts like Parliament - Funkadelic, Sex Pistols, Frank Zappa, Curtis Mayfield, The Stooges, AC/DC, Guns N' Roses & The Yardbirds should move up to Level 3 because they have defined genres in their own right. Posted by Classic Rock on Wednesday, 12/17/2014 @ 06:51am. Art is fluid and stuff changes. Posted by Bill G on Wednesday, 05/8/2019 @ 06:47am. Bruce Springsteen Did the management of this establishment put you up to this? 2. Feel free to tell me why I'm wrong or crazy or both in the comments. Posted by Jason Voigt on Wednesday, 09/26/2018 @ 14:03pm. 2. 179. 130. The "Lovin Spoonful: 5/10 It's good enough to get him in the bottom end of Level III. Pat Benatar (Level 1) 1997 Bill Monroe Grandmaster Flash & Furious Five: 8/10 Lastly, I would move Big Joe Turner to the top of the first level or the bottom of the second level. *******Here's the REAL KICKER !! I know Giannis, Harden, and Russ won those MVPs, but KD was the best player on the best team and snatched the crown from LeBron in 2017 and 2018 when he outplayed him in both those series. Curtis Mayfield Posted by Dan on Wednesday, 07/24/2013 @ 17:34pm. Dusty Springfield: 8/10 Foo Fighters-1, but since they're a first ballot HOFer 2 might be more befitting Randy Newman Nicest: I'd like to think Buddy Holly would get this one, if he were still alive. Was it based on their diversity and creativity? Heart- 4 Posted by Mike on Thursday, 05/28/2020 @ 12:15pm, Posted by Frank on Friday, 04/9/2021 @ 04:03am, Cleveland.com put out a ranking of the Performer R&R HoF inductees, "from the best to Bon Jovi" based on, presumably, influence, artistic integrity, I imagine whether they were inducted during a full moon, and of course whether the author(s) liked them. Little Richard: 10/10 Not quite as cluttered, not as much space. "The Tears of a Clown" La Toya Jackson, The Beat, The Rocking Chairs, The Re-Bops, Nnenna Freelon, The Flying Pickets, Caligula, Human Nature, Enuff Z'Nuff, Eumir Deodato, Brian Ray, Marc Cohn, Phil Collins. astrodog brings up a reasonable point about Elvis Costello, especially in his comparison to The Pretenders. Elton John Nirvana: 10/10 My occasional communication efforts within this forum is generally framed around acknowledging my own biases and attempting to subvert them for more rationale dialog. Is the top level EVER going to have more than twelve? 2006 2020: Depeche Mode-4 "Going to a Go-Go" The Rolling Stones, Phil Collins, The Hags, and Secret Affair. I'm just having too much fun discovering and acquiring music dating from the cylinder era up through the JFK administration. He'll end up as a Level 4 guy when his career is done, but for now, I've slotted him here. A Fish Called Wanda Neil Young: 10/10 "Who's Gonna Take The Blame" Capone N. Noreaga (as the basis of their song "Live On Live Long"). on Saturday, 03/9/2013 @ 22:25pm. Eddie Cochran: 9/10 "Save Me" The Undertones 4. Posted by Jason Voigt on Monday, 12/9/2013 @ 00:01am, Might be interesting to some here: Cat Stevens 10/10 = Immortals, Legends & Icons By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. They influenced pretty much all 90's hard rock and metal. "Baby Baby Don't Cry" Gerald Wilson and His Orchestra, Projekt. As of 2012, there are 180 inductees in the performer category, which divides up nicely into 5 groups, each with multiples of 12 artists (Level 1 has 60, Level 2 has 48, etc.). Follow. I like them for what they were, and not the over-hyped myth. Bernard King, 66. Jerry Lee Lewis Posted by Follower on Thursday, 05/16/2019 @ 20:33pm. "The Tracks of My Tears " Linda Ronstadt, Aretha Franklin, Johnny Rivers, Gladys Knight & the Pips, Mongo Santamara, Martha and the Vandellas, Bryan Ferry, Bjrns Vnner (as Ser Jag Ut Att M Bra? And I'd love to invent a 0 just for Def Leppard. Posted by Donnie on Monday, 09/24/2018 @ 03:18am. Level 4: Call it elitist, call it exclusionary, but I've experienced a major shift in how I listen to music and evaluate it. The Doors: 10/10 However, I do disagree with you on Neil Young's ranking. Dwight Howard [from Level 1, below McGrady]. @ Follower 203. The Jimi Hendrix Experience John Mellencamp Neil Diamond: 7/10 2004 Leonard Cohen From 2013: 7. -Loudest? Radiohead were around then. 1994 Sandwiching him in with the other me-first scorers from other generations. I kept the same ratio. Gene Vincent & The Blue Caps: 7/10 154. I have seen that. The Great Bill Simmons.. Aight. 2000 What;s the first song ANY kid learns on guitar?? 58. Hilarious. They never put out more than one outrageously good record. Check out the sidebar on the left for many more excursions into wormhole that is the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. 2005 Heckthe first Motown act, PERIOD. Were they the greatest team of all time? I fully expect him to skyrocket up these rankings as soon as this summer. 1997 Santana Posted by Handsome Bob on Thursday, 05/16/2019 @ 23:04pm. Demote. " Absolutely nothing you can learn from a song that can't already be ascertained from a documentary or history lecture. (I would say second or third). 7/10 = Solid Picks Posted by DarinRG on Wednesday, 08/3/2016 @ 19:16pm. 12. Every single one. Chicago: 6/10 81. 11. 9. I am williams by name. Posted by Zach on Thursday, 11/27/2014 @ 23:32pm. the notorious big - 2 Tom Chambers, 109. 121. Level 3: Please if you are tired of poverty and you want to change your status or you are already weathy and you need protection of life,wealth,properties and family member please come and join the help iluminati now and get what you need. 191. But, he had to join a 73-win team to get there. The (Young) Rascals: 5/10 Chris Mullin, 94. "I Don't Blame You At All" - Rosetta Hightower. Posted by John R.C. Whitney Houston (Level 2) this is a statement of fact, no judgement involved. Come on guys, let's put MJ in Level 5. Except on Neil Young, of course. Heart (high 3rd) Topic: Bill Simmons NBA Hall of Fame Pyramid (Read 15787 times) chelo. Bon Jovi would, naturally, be closer to the bottom, Posted by Tyler Partnow on Tuesday, 09/25/2018 @ 20:19pm. The Clash Where would you change things up? I agree with all the placements this year except Radiohead. As a link between boogie-woogie, jump blues, and rhythm & blues, he is a highly important name and should not be ranked lower than less relevant names like Buffalo Springfield, The (Young) Rascals, Jackson Browne, The Righteous Brothers, and Gene Pitney. Wes Unseld, 47. Earl Monroe, 76. 2005, 1999 like I said, a lot of great years, Posted by Philip on Saturday, 03/9/2013 @ 21:58pm. If I wrote a serious short book on the updated Pyramid, I'd make use of the same 1:1 comparisons that Simmons did. (including Chicago) The Beatles should be level 0, abd Poison moves up to level 5. They were the forefathers of "progressive rock," after all. Bowies, Springsteen, Aretha (at least! 142. "Darling Dear" The Jackson Five. John Fogerty of CCR is pretty deserving in this respect too. "I'll Try Something New" Diana Ross & the Supremes with the Temptations, Barbara McNair, A Taste of Honey, Spyder Turner (as an excerpt from his cover of "Stand By Me") DEFINITELY !! not only how NBA Hall of Fame inductees should be chosen but how the institution must be reshaped from the ground up, the result being the Pyramid: Simmons's one-of-a-kind five-level shrine to the ninety-six Level 2: OK, why are Frank Zappa and the Bee Gees on the same tier? "The Love I Saw In You Was Just a Mirage" The Jackson 5, Vance Gilbert, The Uniques Among these are: Clearly, you have not been listening to much indie music or Radiohead over the last twenty years.E, Posted by Casper on Tuesday, 04/2/2019 @ 15:24pm. Del Shannon: 5/10 2007 Also available in . I would also put Blue Cheer, Steppenwolf, Mountain, and Iron Butterfly on the pyramid too. I would say Aretha, Bowie, or Springsteen could be moved up to the top rung, Posted by Mike on Monday, 09/16/2019 @ 15:05pm. Otis Redding 1987 Louis Jordan Anyways, hope you browsed through. ******* The architect of the Rock Hall, I.M. Level 5: Blondie Depeche Mode: 8/10 Dr. John: 5/10 159. Robert Horry, 97. 1. Run D.M.C. Hey, the Thunder traded the wrong guy! Steely Dan: 8/10 Posted by FRL on Tuesday, 01/1/2019 @ 10:05am. He popularized the stretch 4 in some respects as he extended his range out towards the back half of The Heatles experiment. 41. Rick Caffey Audacy Atlanta. They had just released Kid A, and since they were the most written about band at the time, I gave it a listen, and I just don't see it. U2: 10/10 :) I still say they're the most overrated band ever, and should only be on level 2. (Think about it) . 57. Was it based on their brilliant songs? Bon Jovi Wilt, 6. Jay-Z -Level 3 Didn't hit up any neighbors or anything. Take a deep breath. U2: 10/10 Bill Sharman, 60. 53. 26. Steely Dan Bill Simmons Hall of Fame Pyramid: Give Major Weakness of the top 10 NBA All Time. Stevie Wonder "The Love I Saw In You Was Just a Mirage" The Jackson 5, Vance Gilbert, The Uniques It was a hell of a three seasons spaced out over six years, but it was just three seasons. "Do It Baby"- Jimmy Ponder, Red Holt (of Young-Holt Unlimited). Distantly tied for third includes Flavor Flav, Lennon ("I'm starting a new religion, and I'm calling it baggism"), Sly Stone. 12. "Lower-tier Bob Dylan"? The Book of Basketball: The NBA According to The Sports Guy. If I were to drop anyone it would be The Beastie Boys, or Elvis Costello. Pearl Jam: 9/10 39. Miles Davis Here are the questions: Posted by John R.C. Subscribe: Apple Podcasts / Art19 / Spotify / Google Podcasts. Kevin Garnett, 24. I don't see Nine Inch Nails. In the case of Ray Charles, the musical influence he had is so massively widespread across multiple genres, so well documented, and seemingly so obvious to the ears of anybody with half a musical ear who takes the time to actually listen to what popular music sounded like before he began having hits and what it sounded like after those hits; that your statement that you "don't see the influence" marks you as either too historically uneducated or too biased by your tastes to really be a serious participant in evaluating such topics of discussion. I just heard the Bill Russell podcast (last one, I believe) and he clearly lists the top-15. 1)Do you have to consider them in any "best of all-time" discussions? "Who's Gonna Take The Blame" Capone N. Noreaga (as the basis of their song "Live On Live Long"). Nine Inch Nails-2 30. Queen and Black Sabbath, by far. Muddy Waters Solomon Burke: 7/10 14. Plebeian, Posted by KXB on Wednesday, 08/3/2016 @ 12:10pm. Dion, Posted by Paul K on Wednesday, 10/22/2014 @ 00:11am. Percy Sledge: 2/10 Lou Reed They both were a lot closer to the rock world than Ray Charles was during the bulk of their careers. Glory A subreddit dedicated to NBA news and discussion. Lyrics to me are merely a supplement to music. Rush: 2 Now, look at that list of artists' cover versions of MIRACLES' songs and ask yourselves: Posted by Yours Truly on Monday, 09/24/2018 @ 22:40pm. 2) THE TEMPTATIONS at # 67 Amen and speak the truth! "Here I Go Again" Chazz Dixon, Carey Bell, A.J. We could spend the rest of this post going in circles on him. The Book of Basketball - Bill Simmons 2010-12-07 . MORE PROOF !!! For mine, check out my top 75. Where do you see the rankings for 2015 Class? Great survey, John! Both haven't been to the Finals. 91. I think he deserves the rank. -Hard to say. a lot of good years for inductions. Chuck Berry: 10/10 My theory is that with Costello his look and image are more important than his songwriting. 38. Ramones Neil Young John R.C., Blondie: 8/10 In the pilot episode of TBOB Rewatchables, recorded earlier this year on The Bill Simmons Podcast, Bill re-lives that historic night with The Ringers Chris Ryan and Joe House. I'd probably move David Bowie & U2 to 5 level. it might just represent the next phase of sports commentary."The Atlantic Bill Simmons, the wildly King Your Account; Logout; Login; Create Account; You're invited! 105. Radiohead belongs in 3, not 4. Off the top of my head, I think it was something like MJ, LBJ, Russell, Kareem, Magic, Bird, Wilt, Duncan, Kobe, West, Oscar, Hakeem, Shaq, Moses, KD. Under no circumstances whatsoever, should AC/DC sit above Rush, period. 9. Posted by Jordan Einstein on Tuesday, 04/19/2022 @ 14:18pm, 2022 Nominees: Lynyrd Skynyrd: 8/10 Bonnie Raitt Dirk Nowitski (up from Level 2, below Mikan). 125. Level Four: Brendan Fraser (we can't really have him above anyone else here) Revising lol, Allen Iverson, 42. Wilson Pickett: 9/10 Simmons believes that Nolan Ryan was a Tier 4 Baseball HoFer, while acknowledging that several people wouldn't put Nolan Ryan in the Hall at all. Cream: 9/10 You may wonder why I continue posting on FRL after admitting to my disenchanted with most rock music. Bob Dylan 143. 2Pac is probably Level 2. James Taylor: 8/10 122. 7/10 = Solid Picks I slotted him in next to McAdoo since their careers have some similarities so far in terms of pure accolades. Most quiet inductee? Bon Jovi- 1 Ricky Nelson He was (and still is) well-regarded by just about everyone regardless of genre. 195. These are the misses from the initial Pyramid that I would've liked rectified: Grant Hill (replacing Connie Hawkins - Hawkins should be in the Comets section and Hill should've been in the Pyramid), Alonzo Mourning (replacing Sabonis - same deal with the Hawkins/Hill swap), Tim Hardaway (for Kevin Johnson - I saw both, Hardaway was a better player), Ben Wallace or Dikembe Mutombo (for Horry - I get where he was going with including Big Shot Bob, but one of the other two guys deserved that spot), My toughest omissions from this Pyramid: Amar'e, Billups, Blake, Paul George, Rose. Inductee that should have been first-ballot (again, don't answer Rush*)? It started out as 12 and then multiples of 12 but you have had several yeas of new inductees since then. Green Day is maybe a 2. Donovan The Pretenders (Level 2) The Lion King, Posted by Andrew on Wednesday, 10/30/2013 @ 20:04pm. 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